JR東京廣域周遊券 能搭東武日光-栃木嗎? - 東京

By Quintina
at 2019-09-11T11:48
at 2019-09-11T11:48
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※ 引述《TT (< 無敵破格郎 >)》之銘言:
: 我當初就是設定這段因為說明會變很複雜
: 所以乾脆簡化成『出入站至少要有一個是JR站』
這個觀點是正確的,因為JR TOKYO WIDE PASS背面日文條款5有提到
東武相互直通特急は、東武線内発着となるご利用はできません
翻譯過來就是「特急的話,起訖站都在東武區段的話是不能搭的」
中文官網寫成「上車或下車車站非為JR線車站之東武互通直達特急,無法使用」
但這個翻譯其實有邏輯上的問題
實際上應該是「非"上車或下車車站為JR線車站"不可」
也因此我原本的推文重點在於東武栃木和JR栃木是不同車站這件事情
: : 推 ialeou : 這問題其實很簡單,東武栃木跟JR栃木是不同車站 09/04 15:27
: : → ialeou : 你想像一下搭台鐵能不能在高鐵下車就好了 09/04 15:27
: 其實我覺得你的比喻稍微錯誤
: 東武鐵道不算是新幹線,其實台灣也沒有台鐵以外的私營鐵道
: 所以這樣想像也算種解讀方式,但這樣的說法感覺會誤導其他人
: 畢竟其他PASS也有類似關西廣域早期的「丹後鐵道」不能中途下站的問題
: (目前看使用說明應該已經都可以了)
: 但通常其他私鐵的說明都會是「限制在某站下車,否則要另外算私鐵費用」
拿台鐵跟高鐵比喻是為了表示兩個車站雖然蓋在一起但概念上不能當成相等
當我們把東武栃木跟JR栃木當成兩個不同車站來對待的時候
就可以很清楚判斷,從東武日光搭到東武栃木都在東武線內
是不符合前述規則的
: : → TT : https://i.imgur.com/1kIU4tn.jpg 自問自答:可以 09/06 13:14
: : → TT : https://i.imgur.com/glKKNTR.jpg 09/06 13:14
: : → TT : 但要記得先在JR站劃位,因為是全車指定席 09/06 13:15
: : → TT : 直接在東武日光或下今市都不會幫你劃位 09/06 13:16
: : 推 elthy : 我還是覺得是該人員不清楚規定XD 照規定是不行的 09/06 17:41
: 其實我事後回想,這段真的很有爭議
: 但基本上可以肯定如果你從新宿搭,栃木出站 應該沒有問題
: (還有栃木上車,新宿前(基本上「栗橋」後皆可)的JR出)
: 雖然說真的會跑去栃木的遊客真的太稀有了
附帶一提日光跟鬼怒川在栗橋是運轉停車(更換駕駛),乘客是不能上下車的
所以實際上過了栃木,下一站就是已經大宮了
: 但東武日光窗口的阿伯就連往新宿的票都不幫我劃位
: 其實那時候超級傻眼
很正常,因為這張周遊券其實只能在JR東日本的窗口劃位取票
就算在東京車站的JR東海窗口也是不肯幫忙劃位的
而且兩百公尺外就有JR日光的綠色窗口了,阿伯可能覺得這個人來亂的
真正傻眼的是河口湖,那邊可是連MARS終端機都沒有,只能去大月
--
: 我當初就是設定這段因為說明會變很複雜
: 所以乾脆簡化成『出入站至少要有一個是JR站』
這個觀點是正確的,因為JR TOKYO WIDE PASS背面日文條款5有提到
東武相互直通特急は、東武線内発着となるご利用はできません
翻譯過來就是「特急的話,起訖站都在東武區段的話是不能搭的」
中文官網寫成「上車或下車車站非為JR線車站之東武互通直達特急,無法使用」
但這個翻譯其實有邏輯上的問題
實際上應該是「非"上車或下車車站為JR線車站"不可」
也因此我原本的推文重點在於東武栃木和JR栃木是不同車站這件事情
: : 推 ialeou : 這問題其實很簡單,東武栃木跟JR栃木是不同車站 09/04 15:27
: : → ialeou : 你想像一下搭台鐵能不能在高鐵下車就好了 09/04 15:27
: 其實我覺得你的比喻稍微錯誤
: 東武鐵道不算是新幹線,其實台灣也沒有台鐵以外的私營鐵道
: 所以這樣想像也算種解讀方式,但這樣的說法感覺會誤導其他人
: 畢竟其他PASS也有類似關西廣域早期的「丹後鐵道」不能中途下站的問題
: (目前看使用說明應該已經都可以了)
: 但通常其他私鐵的說明都會是「限制在某站下車,否則要另外算私鐵費用」
拿台鐵跟高鐵比喻是為了表示兩個車站雖然蓋在一起但概念上不能當成相等
當我們把東武栃木跟JR栃木當成兩個不同車站來對待的時候
就可以很清楚判斷,從東武日光搭到東武栃木都在東武線內
是不符合前述規則的
: : → TT : https://i.imgur.com/1kIU4tn.jpg 自問自答:可以 09/06 13:14
: : → TT : https://i.imgur.com/glKKNTR.jpg 09/06 13:14
: : → TT : 但要記得先在JR站劃位,因為是全車指定席 09/06 13:15
: : → TT : 直接在東武日光或下今市都不會幫你劃位 09/06 13:16
: : 推 elthy : 我還是覺得是該人員不清楚規定XD 照規定是不行的 09/06 17:41
: 其實我事後回想,這段真的很有爭議
: 但基本上可以肯定如果你從新宿搭,栃木出站 應該沒有問題
: (還有栃木上車,新宿前(基本上「栗橋」後皆可)的JR出)
: 雖然說真的會跑去栃木的遊客真的太稀有了
附帶一提日光跟鬼怒川在栗橋是運轉停車(更換駕駛),乘客是不能上下車的
所以實際上過了栃木,下一站就是已經大宮了
: 但東武日光窗口的阿伯就連往新宿的票都不幫我劃位
: 其實那時候超級傻眼
很正常,因為這張周遊券其實只能在JR東日本的窗口劃位取票
就算在東京車站的JR東海窗口也是不肯幫忙劃位的
而且兩百公尺外就有JR日光的綠色窗口了,阿伯可能覺得這個人來亂的
真正傻眼的是河口湖,那邊可是連MARS終端機都沒有,只能去大月
--
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