日本線運量…將供過於求 - 京都

By Thomas
at 2016-04-15T11:12
at 2016-04-15T11:12
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: 推 balius: 中部的不是已經有開始減班了嗎?航空公司自己會抓停損點 04/15 09:29
: → hsinyeh: 日本線的確有點隱憂 中部的班機搭乘率都拉不起來了 04/15 09:34
: 推 Vett: 其實中部減班有各種考量吧 畢竟才要開始北陸旺季 04/15 09:47
: → Vett: 與其說供過於求 不如說台虎把飛機拿去準備飛別的地方 04/15 09:48
: 推 dynamo: 名古屋用近鐵玩到大阪回來便宜又好用 還不用排關空入境 04/15 10:03
: 推 ianqoo2000: 至於名古屋我覺得不是問題吧,自己的搭乘量不是創新高 04/15 10:09
: → ianqoo2000: 我覺得,放長遠看,NGO這個市場還是很有為得 04/15 10:09
: 推 maikxz: 名古屋最大差異應該是關西太近 04/15 10:13
: → wert213: NGO拉車到関西兩小時我沒辦法,單趟新幹線價錢還可以,如 04/15 10:24
: → wert213: 果去回都NGO玩関西,滿累人的(安娜都不開飛ITM...) 04/15 10:24
: 推 taromsejara: 從名古屋利用近鐵玩伊勢志摩以及奈良還不錯啊 04/15 10:28
: → taromsejara: 如果單純想玩琵琶湖湖東一帶的點,從名古屋過去也滿 04/15 10:29
: → taromsejara: 方便。 04/15 10:29
個人目前三個多月來已經用過四次名古屋NGO中部國際機場(三進一出)....
但沒有一次是留在當地玩的。
首先要講,近鐵週遊券(不用買到廣域版,除非要去伊勢志摩)這玩意太方便。
五天3800JPY還附三張特急券,朋友上週在台灣買好,實體票券是1100TWD。
NGO到名古屋市大概30分鐘左右,行李多建議多花點錢(360YEN?)搭特急。
然後,名古屋→難波的特急半小時一班,班次算是很密,特急2小時到達難波。
我上週搭威航飛NGO,09:50落地,趕上10:07的車,因為旅客真的少,朋友還有託運喔。
順利搭到11:00的近鐵特急,13:07已經到達大阪難波,就算晚一點大概也可以在14:00前。
以同樣飛大阪來看,不看05:40那班捷星(這有夠紅眼),
最早到的LCC是威航的11:30,之後都是13:00以後了。
而且除了樂桃之外,都得去跟關西T1那有名的入關貪食蛇打交道。
以「搭LCC,人在13:00或14:00前已經到達大阪難波」為前提,跳板NGO一點都不輸。
而特價多、便宜票好搶的情況下,省下近鐵週遊券3800JPY的機會也很大。
更不用說近鐵週遊券扣掉跑這一趟大阪後,還有兩張特急跟五日內一般車種免錢的空間。
去京都、奈良、吉野通通都不用錢喔~~~
而且這車上陸客極少(目前沒遇過),舒適度非常高。
(上次HARUKA我搭過一次之後就不想再搭了,我是在日本還是湖南啊?)
東京方面比較難當跳板,距離太遠加上沒有便宜通票,
但我也用過兩次,一進一出。
一是遇到連假,東京方面回台價位極高的時候,
若體力夠且在哪都睡得著的話,可以挑戰夜巴搭到NGO出,
夜巴大概3000JPY,NGO回程很有機會比NRT、HND便宜更多。
(上次這樣大概省了30000JPY吧,臨時有非去不可的行程)
現在有IBR(茨城)之後可能比較用不到這招,但IBR祇飛二四六日是大缺點,
若是週一要回台灣又買不到夠便宜的HND紅眼(祇有虎跟桃),
我可能還是會用夜巴轉NGO這招,畢竟威航NGO「目前」天天飛,而且特價多又比較舒適。
另一次是去程,非去不可又等不到便宜機票,乾脆飛特價的NGO轉ANA國內線到HND,
結果還比同一天去的朋友、甚至也比在日本的日本人還早趕到上午十點發券的店面,
順利搶到寫真集簽名會的參加券,入場序號還在個位數咧(笑) ←日本朋友都嚇到^^
那次時間還充裕到中午跑大宮參加另一場簽名會,下午回秋葉原參加非去不可的那場,
一天完成了三件事情,如果搭其他飛NRT的班機大概都沒辦法吧。
(至少大宮得放棄)
(搶簽名會參加券如果運氣不好也可能幾小時內完售,事實上是當天下午五點就完售了)
小結一下:
說起來NGO對於進關西真的很有優勢,祇是知道的人太少或是嫌搭近鐵太慢,
但我們從班機時間來對照,可以發現NGO到大阪的到達時間也還不差。
兩個小時的特急電車,一來是指定席比較不用擠,二來是沿路風景也蠻漂亮的,
不妨當成欣賞美景也好,再不然睡一下也是可以的(我上週直接睡死兩小時)。
但往東京方面就比較不利,沒有便宜的通票(PASS)可以利用,
巴士五小時堪比"北高"也太累了,祇有在飛東京極貴的時候偶爾可以利用之。
真希望這一段遲早會推出好用的通票啊.....唉,這樣就不用去NRT人擠人了。
PS.
所以我已經在後悔為什麼9/22奈奈甲子園我都已經提前一天9/21到達了,
昨天買特價票,價格一樣,幹嘛不走NGO而要去KIX挑戰貪食蛇...>_<
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: → hsinyeh: 日本線的確有點隱憂 中部的班機搭乘率都拉不起來了 04/15 09:34
: 推 Vett: 其實中部減班有各種考量吧 畢竟才要開始北陸旺季 04/15 09:47
: → Vett: 與其說供過於求 不如說台虎把飛機拿去準備飛別的地方 04/15 09:48
: 推 dynamo: 名古屋用近鐵玩到大阪回來便宜又好用 還不用排關空入境 04/15 10:03
: 推 ianqoo2000: 至於名古屋我覺得不是問題吧,自己的搭乘量不是創新高 04/15 10:09
: → ianqoo2000: 我覺得,放長遠看,NGO這個市場還是很有為得 04/15 10:09
: 推 maikxz: 名古屋最大差異應該是關西太近 04/15 10:13
: → wert213: NGO拉車到関西兩小時我沒辦法,單趟新幹線價錢還可以,如 04/15 10:24
: → wert213: 果去回都NGO玩関西,滿累人的(安娜都不開飛ITM...) 04/15 10:24
: 推 taromsejara: 從名古屋利用近鐵玩伊勢志摩以及奈良還不錯啊 04/15 10:28
: → taromsejara: 如果單純想玩琵琶湖湖東一帶的點,從名古屋過去也滿 04/15 10:29
: → taromsejara: 方便。 04/15 10:29
個人目前三個多月來已經用過四次名古屋NGO中部國際機場(三進一出)....
但沒有一次是留在當地玩的。
首先要講,近鐵週遊券(不用買到廣域版,除非要去伊勢志摩)這玩意太方便。
五天3800JPY還附三張特急券,朋友上週在台灣買好,實體票券是1100TWD。
NGO到名古屋市大概30分鐘左右,行李多建議多花點錢(360YEN?)搭特急。
然後,名古屋→難波的特急半小時一班,班次算是很密,特急2小時到達難波。
我上週搭威航飛NGO,09:50落地,趕上10:07的車,因為旅客真的少,朋友還有託運喔。
順利搭到11:00的近鐵特急,13:07已經到達大阪難波,就算晚一點大概也可以在14:00前。
以同樣飛大阪來看,不看05:40那班捷星(這有夠紅眼),
最早到的LCC是威航的11:30,之後都是13:00以後了。
而且除了樂桃之外,都得去跟關西T1那有名的入關貪食蛇打交道。
以「搭LCC,人在13:00或14:00前已經到達大阪難波」為前提,跳板NGO一點都不輸。
而特價多、便宜票好搶的情況下,省下近鐵週遊券3800JPY的機會也很大。
更不用說近鐵週遊券扣掉跑這一趟大阪後,還有兩張特急跟五日內一般車種免錢的空間。
去京都、奈良、吉野通通都不用錢喔~~~
而且這車上陸客極少(目前沒遇過),舒適度非常高。
(上次HARUKA我搭過一次之後就不想再搭了,我是在日本還是湖南啊?)
東京方面比較難當跳板,距離太遠加上沒有便宜通票,
但我也用過兩次,一進一出。
一是遇到連假,東京方面回台價位極高的時候,
若體力夠且在哪都睡得著的話,可以挑戰夜巴搭到NGO出,
夜巴大概3000JPY,NGO回程很有機會比NRT、HND便宜更多。
(上次這樣大概省了30000JPY吧,臨時有非去不可的行程)
現在有IBR(茨城)之後可能比較用不到這招,但IBR祇飛二四六日是大缺點,
若是週一要回台灣又買不到夠便宜的HND紅眼(祇有虎跟桃),
我可能還是會用夜巴轉NGO這招,畢竟威航NGO「目前」天天飛,而且特價多又比較舒適。
另一次是去程,非去不可又等不到便宜機票,乾脆飛特價的NGO轉ANA國內線到HND,
結果還比同一天去的朋友、甚至也比在日本的日本人還早趕到上午十點發券的店面,
順利搶到寫真集簽名會的參加券,入場序號還在個位數咧(笑) ←日本朋友都嚇到^^
那次時間還充裕到中午跑大宮參加另一場簽名會,下午回秋葉原參加非去不可的那場,
一天完成了三件事情,如果搭其他飛NRT的班機大概都沒辦法吧。
(至少大宮得放棄)
(搶簽名會參加券如果運氣不好也可能幾小時內完售,事實上是當天下午五點就完售了)
小結一下:
說起來NGO對於進關西真的很有優勢,祇是知道的人太少或是嫌搭近鐵太慢,
但我們從班機時間來對照,可以發現NGO到大阪的到達時間也還不差。
兩個小時的特急電車,一來是指定席比較不用擠,二來是沿路風景也蠻漂亮的,
不妨當成欣賞美景也好,再不然睡一下也是可以的(我上週直接睡死兩小時)。
但往東京方面就比較不利,沒有便宜的通票(PASS)可以利用,
巴士五小時堪比"北高"也太累了,祇有在飛東京極貴的時候偶爾可以利用之。
真希望這一段遲早會推出好用的通票啊.....唉,這樣就不用去NRT人擠人了。
PS.
所以我已經在後悔為什麼9/22奈奈甲子園我都已經提前一天9/21到達了,
昨天買特價票,價格一樣,幹嘛不走NGO而要去KIX挑戰貪食蛇...>_<
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