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By James
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關於這個事件讓我又多思考了一點,
在參加某些登山社前,先瞭解某些嚮導領隊是否登過幾座百岳,
證照或技能有哪些,參加的登山社團資料是否造假,是否安全。
也都是登山風險的一環。
當然,真要造假的話,方式真的很多,證照都可以用PS的...XD
但如果某領隊能證明他真的都完成,是否參加他的登山隊就保證安全了呢?
當然如果發現是造假的,呼籲大眾不要參加不理想的登山社,
或訴諸法律途徑應該也是正確行為。
但這事件中,新聞報導是否可信?眾多網友議論是否可信?討論出來的能有多少事實?
恐怕都讓人存疑。
最後,其實身為hiking版版主,提這些問題,主要概念只有兩點想分享給版友參考。
第一點是登山安全終究是掌握在自己手裡。
第二點是看別人登了幾座山,聽了多少說法,還不如自己切切實實準備,自己走過吧。
※ 引述《icandoit (能高安東軍)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《tggbtggb (tggb)》之銘言:
: : 作者: RedCarRet (陰騭小人) 看板: Gossiping
: : 標題: [新聞] 男扮女裝偽造個資 揪團登山營利
: : 4.完整新聞連結 (或短網址):
: : http://udn.com/news/story/2/1181171
: : 5.備註:
: : 白凜
: 看了這篇新聞,貼篇朋友寫的小感想,給版友們參考。
: <關於登山安全雜感>
: 關於登山這件事,我一直覺得是個可以很安全,也可以很危險的運動。
: 有些沒有深入探索過登山或戶外活動領域的人,
: 真的會「自以為是」的覺得不過是背個背包去走走,
: 如向陽所長名言:「把嘉明湖當澄清湖在走」。
: 但更讓我覺得無言的,其實是只走百岳傳統路線跟國家公園步道的登山者,
: 而這個族群的某些人,有時候「自以為是」的情況更是有增無減。
: 一方面是因為我知道我在戶外活動的能力其實很弱,所以更明白一但有什麼狀況,
: 一定要依賴隊友協助。但如果剛好是跟到豬隊友,可能真的是不知道該如何是好。
: 對我而言,即使是走在傳統路徑上,仍舊有不少可見與不可見的意外風險。
: 最可見的是過危險地形,長途跋涉的體力負荷,大風大雨交加下的迫降處理或行進判斷,
: 不慎迷途的地判與探路。這些一般沒有經驗或具備應對知識的登山客能否保持安全?
: 我個人就有點懷疑了。
: 而隱藏的風險如:開放性外傷、扭傷或內傷處理、高山症、失溫或中暑、蛇毒、蜂毒
: 或各種蟲類傷害,這些對一般沒有上過專業醫療的登山客(包含我在內),
: 風險更是非常大的。(所以上個WFR的確是有需要性。)
: 當然以上的風險,根據所登的山岳海拔與選擇路線,都會有所不同。
: 所以說,要確保風險的降低,第一、路線的選擇,第二、裝備的選擇,
: 第三、隊友的選擇。可以說是首要考慮的三大要素。
: 讓我回到今天看到有個17歲少年帶團登百岳行程的新聞,姑且不論他個人的經驗多少,
: 負重跟腳程能力多強。我比較在乎的
: 1.他身為領隊,有沒有能力在遭遇上述幾種風險時,保住隊員的生命或讓傷害降至最低?
: 2.選擇他的行程,當他隊員的山友,自否自己有足夠的知識與能力應付上述風險?
: 不然假如領隊身體不適或真的發生意外,那誰來帶隊下山?誰來處理緊急狀況?
: 誰來聯繫山下搜救?
: 在自己沒搞清楚行程,也不熟悉隊友,空有裝備的情況下,無疑是把命交給別人去安排。
: 好運的話就是天氣好,順利撿到幾個山頭好棒棒,平安下山自以為又增加經驗值了。
: 運氣不好的話,又要呼叫直昇機跟搜救隊,登上新聞版面,然後多了山難案例,
: 檢討登山客,家屬好傷心這樣。
: 所以說,什麼叫做風險?要有哪些能力才夠?什麼是登山需要知道的知識?
: 可能是很籠統廣泛的問題,但並非無法訂出最低底線跟必要知識。
--
在參加某些登山社前,先瞭解某些嚮導領隊是否登過幾座百岳,
證照或技能有哪些,參加的登山社團資料是否造假,是否安全。
也都是登山風險的一環。
當然,真要造假的話,方式真的很多,證照都可以用PS的...XD
但如果某領隊能證明他真的都完成,是否參加他的登山隊就保證安全了呢?
當然如果發現是造假的,呼籲大眾不要參加不理想的登山社,
或訴諸法律途徑應該也是正確行為。
但這事件中,新聞報導是否可信?眾多網友議論是否可信?討論出來的能有多少事實?
恐怕都讓人存疑。
最後,其實身為hiking版版主,提這些問題,主要概念只有兩點想分享給版友參考。
第一點是登山安全終究是掌握在自己手裡。
第二點是看別人登了幾座山,聽了多少說法,還不如自己切切實實準備,自己走過吧。
※ 引述《icandoit (能高安東軍)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《tggbtggb (tggb)》之銘言:
: : 作者: RedCarRet (陰騭小人) 看板: Gossiping
: : 標題: [新聞] 男扮女裝偽造個資 揪團登山營利
: : 4.完整新聞連結 (或短網址):
: : http://udn.com/news/story/2/1181171
: : 5.備註:
: : 白凜
: 看了這篇新聞,貼篇朋友寫的小感想,給版友們參考。
: <關於登山安全雜感>
: 關於登山這件事,我一直覺得是個可以很安全,也可以很危險的運動。
: 有些沒有深入探索過登山或戶外活動領域的人,
: 真的會「自以為是」的覺得不過是背個背包去走走,
: 如向陽所長名言:「把嘉明湖當澄清湖在走」。
: 但更讓我覺得無言的,其實是只走百岳傳統路線跟國家公園步道的登山者,
: 而這個族群的某些人,有時候「自以為是」的情況更是有增無減。
: 一方面是因為我知道我在戶外活動的能力其實很弱,所以更明白一但有什麼狀況,
: 一定要依賴隊友協助。但如果剛好是跟到豬隊友,可能真的是不知道該如何是好。
: 對我而言,即使是走在傳統路徑上,仍舊有不少可見與不可見的意外風險。
: 最可見的是過危險地形,長途跋涉的體力負荷,大風大雨交加下的迫降處理或行進判斷,
: 不慎迷途的地判與探路。這些一般沒有經驗或具備應對知識的登山客能否保持安全?
: 我個人就有點懷疑了。
: 而隱藏的風險如:開放性外傷、扭傷或內傷處理、高山症、失溫或中暑、蛇毒、蜂毒
: 或各種蟲類傷害,這些對一般沒有上過專業醫療的登山客(包含我在內),
: 風險更是非常大的。(所以上個WFR的確是有需要性。)
: 當然以上的風險,根據所登的山岳海拔與選擇路線,都會有所不同。
: 所以說,要確保風險的降低,第一、路線的選擇,第二、裝備的選擇,
: 第三、隊友的選擇。可以說是首要考慮的三大要素。
: 讓我回到今天看到有個17歲少年帶團登百岳行程的新聞,姑且不論他個人的經驗多少,
: 負重跟腳程能力多強。我比較在乎的
: 1.他身為領隊,有沒有能力在遭遇上述幾種風險時,保住隊員的生命或讓傷害降至最低?
: 2.選擇他的行程,當他隊員的山友,自否自己有足夠的知識與能力應付上述風險?
: 不然假如領隊身體不適或真的發生意外,那誰來帶隊下山?誰來處理緊急狀況?
: 誰來聯繫山下搜救?
: 在自己沒搞清楚行程,也不熟悉隊友,空有裝備的情況下,無疑是把命交給別人去安排。
: 好運的話就是天氣好,順利撿到幾個山頭好棒棒,平安下山自以為又增加經驗值了。
: 運氣不好的話,又要呼叫直昇機跟搜救隊,登上新聞版面,然後多了山難案例,
: 檢討登山客,家屬好傷心這樣。
: 所以說,什麼叫做風險?要有哪些能力才夠?什麼是登山需要知道的知識?
: 可能是很籠統廣泛的問題,但並非無法訂出最低底線跟必要知識。
--
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